Subscriber Services. In most cases with handloads, there was insufficient powder to push the bullet all the way out the bore. Mar 16, 2008. dsr30 said: I went to the range today and left with a round stuck in the chamber of the XD. Both rounds that stuck were reloads. Abrupt surfaces cause turbulence. Sounds like an out of spec round or maybe a 9x18 instead of the 9x19 round. Whats the difference between this and a wadcutter? I think now we are the same page. In fact their only downside for handguns is they penetrate too well if you are gearing up for self-defense against human attackers with bystanders in the area. All it will do is compress the smokeless powder. If the knock-out rod is too small, the point of the bullet can force it off to the side into the wall of the bore. Any serious suggestions appreciated. If you want to see one round per gel block, you are going to have to start buying them. The same procedure was followed from the breech end to locate the rear end of the obstruction and to make a second locating mark on the barrel. Just keep in mind that if you shoot enough, sooner or later you will encounter a stuck bullet! Just remove the slide stop and slide the whole top end off of the frame. You not only endanger your own life, but those near you, What would be the point of this even if it was safe.. Got here from Google; was at the range and this was what eventually freed the round in my gun. Make sure your rod is as large in diameter as possible that will still move freely in the bore. More often than not, this shouldn't cause any major problems if it is dealt with properly. I can see those issues, too. I believe those backward bullets penetrate a lot farther than bullets with their points facing forward. Use of a pick or miniscrewdriver may release it to drop the barrel. Fortunately, the bore appeared to be unharmed. Either the whole cartridge'd come loose or the bullet separates, allowing the casing to be safely tapped out from the barrel. It chambered and fired, but did not extract. Give a Gift He required a new barrel. with a rod the size of the primer and a lot of force. Personally, I would NEVER load a Sptizer bullet backwards in a brass casing. A stuck bullet is generally caused by defective ammo. Always drive stuck bullets backwards toward breech. No, a FMJ backwards is not as aerodynamic as a FMJ forwards. Absolutely impossible. In other words you get incredible terminal ballistics but only for relatively short ranges. I have seen more damage done to barrels from attempts to clear the obstruction than caused by the stuck bullet itself. The bolt moves backwards when it is rotated open and the case should have been pulled back out of the chamber the first few degrees of bolt turn. I'm able to move the silde about 10mm and that's it. 4- Buy a KIDD charging bar kit. Can I use all of your guns for future backwards bullet testing? Until next time, good luck and good gunsmithing! This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. And if you want such a bullet to maintain velocity at longer ranges, either shoot a really heavy bullet with the highest possible muzzle velocity or shoot such bullets with a pointed soft rubber tip. . Revolver: This type of handgun doesn't throw away the empty shells when the bullet is fired. You are using an out of date browser. You are using an out of date browser. Be sure to check out our gun classifieds where you can buy, sell or trade your gear. It should seep through. Agreed that WC and semis are handgun, but this strikes me as that concept but applied to a rifle. What's the Perfect Trigger Pull Weight for a Hunting Rifle? A gunsmith was tasked with removing a stuck bullet from a rifle. why not just cut off a portion of the tip instead of flipping the bullet around? He even draws a diagramwhat do you want? Place it in firm contact with the stuck bullet. Anyone have anything similar happen/other suggestions? Suggested fix is weak hand on the slide and palm-strike the back of the lower/grip, hard, to try and eject the round. Many people will also run their finger over that area as a redundancy. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. A 2LT loaded the magazine with the round in backwards and released the slide jamming the round in the mouth of the barrels chamber. Not the best idea. Joseph VonBenedikt is with Joel Hodgdon to talk about the improved accuracy and long-range potential of the already reliable Core-Lokt ammo line. what i usually do is remove the magazine, grasp the slide with your left hand (if you're right handed) pointing the gun at a safe direction. Examination of the projectile revealed that my friend's cleaning rod had been driven down into the jacket of the bullet. Just reach into the open chamber (finger tip is fine), push the bullet down, and slide it back into the mag as you would if you were loading it normally. Therefore, the bullet gets stuck in the barrel. The barrel is positioned vertically with the muzzle down and a generous amount of solvent is used to fill the bore. My handloads pass case gauge 100% but some would get stuck in chamber. With the safety on the it will slightly slide back (normal) but when the safety is off it will slide back twice as far and stop. Agreed, It sounded like you thought I was against wadcutters, not at all. I'm able to move the silde about 10mm and that's it. The videos intent is to show, if you found yourself living in a world (read anti-gun state) where hollow point bullets were banned, or worse, found yourself living under a complete ban of ammunition (nationally) could you use any old FMJ you found and turn it into a more effective round? I have no experience with clearing this type of malfunction, so I am asking if it would be safe to use a pair of needle nose pliers and gently wiggle/pull the bullet out of the casing first. I think it was Rouarke who loaded .270 projos backwards because it penetrated elephant skull better. There would be marks on the ogive for every land and easy to see. A boat tail bullet is more aerodynamic than a flat based bullet, and I do believe that the back side of the bullet is at least nearly as important as the front, so it would be interesting in seeing an exact comparison. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! You wouldn't want that happening in your house. Come to think of it, I believe a regular seating die would work as well-I mean it is the same bullet diameter after all. [/, http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/xd-45acp-discussion-room/64364-xd45-locked-up-2.html, Removing a stuck case from XD and HS2000`s. Because of that, I always wash out the barrel behind a stuck bullet to remove any traces of powder. In today's episode of "I Carry," we have a Smith & Wesson M&P9 M2.0 Metal pistol with a Holosun EPS Red2 red-dot sight carried in a KSG Armory Lexington IWB holster. What Id be interested in is how it effected the BC of the bullet. Before I could stop him he let the slide go forward. Wasnt the 50 Alaskan originally a cut down 50BMG bullet stuck into a case backwards? I personally like the CCI Minimags in the model 60.For me they shoot well. After all humans are something like 80% water which is a fluid just like air and a bullet designed to move the through the air with as little disturbance as possible will also move through water (humans) with as little disturbance as possible. A critical marksmanship skill that is easy to overlook. He then took a large hammer and struck the end of the rod to begin driving the bullet out the muzzle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_N71iYZHd8. 9x18 is slightly wider diam. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Also, another thing I didnt notice until after I posted my first comment, that FMJ in question is a BT-FMJ, so it is not a full wadcutter when turned around. Danger or not, knowledge is power. I called BarSto today and their gunsmith said it is an known issue. Use a gas shutoff in case of semi-auto and homemade ammo. A word of caution is definitely in order here. It is first time I see ammo stuck in chamber backward.. Feb 8, 2013 #15 Bootknife Active Member. 24. My carbon rod, on the other hand, was large enough in diameter to avoid entering the bullet and instead pressed against the sides of the jacket. 2- Get a "Scotch-brite" pad and thoroughly scrub the inside of the receiver to remove any rough spots. to be honest with you, the hyper velocity stuff usually doesnt group too well in a host of guns. Keep in mind you have reduced the bullet weight however and that may also effect the bullets External Ballistics. What is the adjustable wrench hammer treatment? "Tap" your magazine to be sure it is properly seated. I went to the range today and left with a round stuck in the chamber of the XD. Somehow the extractor hopped over the rim without tearing off the case head so the bolt is now out of the rifle but the round is still wedged in tight. Why did this happened and is it common with glocks. A way to make hunting ammo from military rounds. 1- Make sure the chamber is spotlessly clean, get a chamber brush if you do not have one. The article was not about wadcutters, it was about loading bullets backwards. JavaScript is disabled. As a matter of fact I am a handloader, I fully understand the desire for a handloader to want to experiment. Fortunately, I caught him and corrected the problem before he had a chance to hurt himself. Its bad ju-ju. If I load with Xtreme RN bullets everything is fine no mater what. You must log in or register to reply here. Seen it first hand in an M9 about a month ago. are you able to see the round from the top of the slide (ejection port)? I was then able to work the round out of the barrel with a screwdriver. When I was involved in cowboy action shooting I would generally see at least one stuck bullet at any match I attended. The night before we headed back home one of my buddies brought me his custom .17-caliber Ruger No. Although a rare occurrence,. Maybe the same? I've tried that one already but with a cleaning rod. 6. I don't think the round will be all that stuck once you actually tap on it. Open the bolt lock it back, Take a cleaning rod and lower it down the barrel gently onto the bullet, then with the rifle carefully propped up tap the rod gently with a stick or similar to push the bullet backwards and out, don't tap hard as you can expand the lead and lock it in place. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. This indicated the front, or muzzle, end of the obstruction. Never shot tissue, rarely hit what I was aiming at, never tried it again. This in turn drastically reduced the smoke and residue created. The idea was that asthe bullet collapsed on itself,the force would continue with a lot more power andwould flake off a piece of the steel shield back into the neckor face of the sniper, NOT designed to penetrate the steel. From your reply, Ill bet your the kind of guy who reloads old brass found on the range not knowing how old it is, or how work hardened the necks are or if the brass was annealed to the point the head of the case was heated to more than 450 degrees, and will rupture the first time you fire them. An upfront disclaimer might have been helpful for ADD-afflicted andyounger gunnies. Im guessing the high pressure gas was forced out to the perimeter of the case neck, by the cone of the bullet, instead of delivering an equal amount of pressure all around the bullet base, had it been flat. It is known these match target barrels have issues with flat nose bullets. "FTE" is not automatically understood, as it has two distinctly different meanings. I hate when they use the same gel block for both rounds. Lead bullets cant be pushed as fast as jacketed rounds. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. JavaScript is disabled. It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees, Scopes, Sights, Rings, Mounts & Other Optics. Once the case it out, reverse the barrel in the vise jaws so that its muzzle is up. There is a bullet in the chamber and the slide will not slide back. Aug 29, 2020. Not a lot to worry about here. . This made removal much easier. Of course that huge flat front surface means those bullets slow down way, WAY faster than Spitzer (pointed) bullets. The primer never ignited. It goes to considerable lengths to test the theory that backwards bullets are more lethal than frontward facing pills. I wouldn't snap the bolt shut, in case the firing pin ever hit the rim. Not much of a crimp. Never oil a chamber. You know that is facing the wrong direction? Wrench goes on the spring rod, muzzle down but off the table, and you hit the wrench with the hammer to shock the rod/spring in to the correct place. This was done with reload components, not pulled bullets. Here is the link to his solution. A little inspection can go a long way. experiment) to a hand loader, is much like asking a drag racer why he is constantly fiddling with his traction bars- because its fun! Any advice on what I can try would be appreciated. high vels are fine , though. Never mix any flavor of semi-auto with any flavor of split casing. May 27, 2012 The wooden dowel is the way to go. Quick easy method for removing a stuck round from you pistol chamber. Anyway, YouTube commentator Stephen D. Kingputs the idea into historical context . I had heard about the British using this tactic in WWI. You know it really is true. Thanks. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Nov 23, 2008 1,894 I really like my XD mod2, but this honestly makes me somewhat nervous about it. It seemed a backward step to me, but I am resigned now, and, perhaps, happier, for when all is said and done, time is a hard master, as you of the outer world, who are slaves of the sun, would be forced to admit were you to give the matter thought. For large calibers, severely lodged bullets or stuck cases, additional drops may be required. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. bullet stuck in chamber backwards where is madeira citrine mined. (1% rather than 10%). There were companies that did exactly that with milsurp .303 after WW2; they quit because the base of old FMJ rounds is open, and the lead had a tendency to extrude out into the barrel when fired. Tap the end of the rod; the bullet should come free. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. If they are different or over the SAAMI c.o.a.l. Somehow the extractor hopped over. The force from this almost always gets the round out after a few tries. Also, all the wadcutter bullets I have shot had a flat or concave base. Joseph Von Benedikt shows his custom 500 and how well it shoots. You just saved me and my husband a lot of heartache and worry. Why do you have a problem with this video? It is real. I figured after doing this it wouldn't be a good idea. .308 Bolt action rifle, shooting all day in a tactical type match, all of a sudden a very tight round gets stuck 95% of the way into the chamber and won't budge either way. Is there a malfunction with the firearm preventing you from doing this or are you just physically not strong enough to move the slide? An abrupt front surface (full wadcutter or backwards bullet) causes turbulence. My guess is that if he tried this with 1/8 or 1/4 steel the results would have been different. Who knew wild turkey's were so stupid!? Those backward bullets are in a heavy weight-forward configuration which means they will maintain their path without tumbling. For that reason, I always kept an 8-inch length of brass rod in my shooting kit. Honestly, I'm hesitant/skeptical about doing so with a live round chambered. When the slide failed to completely close she attempted to rack the slide (tap rack and bang) and wedged it in further. A forum community dedicated to Rimfire Central Firearm owners and enthusiasts. Maryland Shooters is the most active and largest Maryland gun community online. He didn't listen and somewhere loaded the G19 mag into the G23. The idea was that as the bullet collapsed on itself, the force would continue with a lot more power and would flake off a piece of the steel shield back into the neck or face of the sniper, NOT designed to penetrate the steel.. with enough force, the slide should move the eject the stuck round. We need to understand the FULL ramificationswith videoand ER paperwork! It also had the characteristic of being far better at holding shape, allowing the use of compressed charges. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. DO NOT remove from your chamber using pliers or anything besides the eraser end of a pencil or a cleaning rod, using anything else voids the warranty as it may damage the tool. You would need a bullet puller, and a bullet seating die, and some kind of a press, unless your just going to pound the bullet back in the case. Using a steel rod that closely fit the bore, he inserted it from the breech until it contacted the base of the bullet. It could be "Failure to Extract" or "Failure to Eject". Firearm's secure at home at the moment, so haven't tested Springfield's suggestion yet. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Come join the discussion about optics, ammo, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, hunting, accessories, classifieds, and more! if so, try pushing down on the top of the round. "It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.". Many years ago I heard of an accident that took place in a gunsmith shop. I'll give that a shot. Unfortunately, a lot of the damage is caused by well-meaning folks who simply utilize the wrong tools in trying to correct the problem. Because of this I secured the rifle in a padded vise and inserted my carbon rod in from the muzzle until it was firmly held against the front end of the bullet. This happens occasionally at the range I work at - mostly with hand loads. Why? When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. might have been a H&K and she got the magazine at shot show LOL .. i took my Mosin to a practice CMP shoot .. trying to be fast loading it .. i stove'd piped it good with a live round loading the mag .. needed pliers .. LOL. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. An abrupt rear surface also causes turbulence. the Nosler average of 3 rounds was 0.4665 +-.0005, and the federal and barnes were both .04645 +- 0.0010. Hold the grease delivery in a chuck or collet and use the tailstock to press in the grease delivery system into the muzzle of the barrel. now comes the tricky part, with your right hand, smack quickly the arch of your thumb and pointy finger at the back of the grip safety. Spray a bit of WD40 down the muzzle and let sit for a few. This also applies to the slow and heavy vs. fast and light debate. Though, Sifford said, deputies discovered the pistol had a bullet stuck in the chamber backward. bullet stuck in chamber backwardswilliam paterson university application fee waiver. A Delrin rod, some lubrication and the proper application of a mallet will help remove a bullet stuck in your barrel. I have no doubt whatsoever that wadcutter bullets are safe to shoot out of firearms. I guess I'll try to tap it out with the rod. Just out of curiosity, were you shooting reloads, or was the gun dirty? I like the suggestion to remove the firing pin IF you can do it safely considering you have a round in the chamber. But you are correct in that if the bullet doesnt upset or deform on contact, whatever slips through the air more efficiently will also slip through tissue more efficiently. bullet stuck in chamber backwards bullet stuck in chamber backwards. Still came down to someone stating; But if you elongate the football it has a higher sectional density and the ballistic coefficient goes up. That took some talent Never seen that one before.. Therefore, the bullet gets stuck in the barrel. OP, although Indy is probably right, I'd let him do it for me. The round cleared the barrel thank goodness! The reasoning behind one gel block for multiple shots is simple, though I understand it frustrates you. But if you elongate the football it has a higher sectional density and the ballistic coefficient goes up. Yes Gene, a backwards bullet is essentially a wadcutter or a semi-wadcutter if the bullet was of the boat-tail variety. Maybe a bulged case wedged into the chamber? I'm planning on calling the shop that I purchased the gun from tomorrow but I am pretty new to guns and am very curious to know what the problem is. After having seen several other videos on this Youtubers channel I would say that the thinking behind this video is to test a hypothetical. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I wish D.S. bullet stuck in chamber backwards. So much so that the weapon was taken to a gunsmith to remove the stuck round. Posted: 6/27/2020 6:04 . At 30 seconds in he expresses concern with the pressure. Beware of "precision,". Uncategorized. Originally posted by humansteak: (Ret.) Those super velocity rounds are kind of bogus, one type "stingers" use a case that is longer than a standard case with a bullet that's not quite as long, to get more power and speed. Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. The shell had a. Tip to not bug the barrels , open them only when u really have to , and never close them! Again if it's the bullet you'd have felt the lands touch the bullet. I then made a mark on the rod at the point where it entered the muzzle. You probably have a point when it comes to supersonic velocities though. I would have someone else load your mags from now on. Same problem happened to another person just recently here on xdtalk. So, Im assuming that your into reloading to some extent. Delicate situation. This does jive with what was told about the origin of sporterized military rifles. The casing was getting stuck in the chamber and I was a able to pry one out with a screw driver and try again but it happened again and I gave up and went home and get it out with a cleaning rod through the barrel. To do this I carefully ran a carbon fiber rod down the barrel from the muzzle until it contacted the bullet. Had a little round tip on it so I didn't have to worry about scratches. I did have issues with WWB (and some other) ammo feeding in my new P238 until I had run several hundred rounds. I was zeroing a .223 stevens this evening, Ultramaz remanufactured ammo, 55HP, and a case blew! There are better ways of doing this. The rod was removed and laid along the barrel with this mark even with the muzzle. 7. Maybe the wrong caliber inserted into the chamber but backwards? Anodized matte black for durability. Throw it in a fire and let it cook off. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. A World Record Attempt and everyone is out at the range shooting and practicing. Other than that push down on the barrel at the breech. How Do I Choose Good Self-Defense Ammo For My Handgun? http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1284373&page=1, Slow feeding a controlled round feed action. I would Use a piece of Steel Fuel Tubing Just small enough to fit in the barrel Od .350 x id .250 That way nothing in the center to touch the PRIMER! Use a nylon or wooden dowel, tap it out with a hammer. . No matter what type of rod you use, make sure it is solid. You must log in or register to reply here. I'm new to owning a rifle. It's a live round and it's stuck in a way that I can't even rack the slide. I have seen references on this forum to getting a bullet stuck in the bbl when the bullet has been seated out to far into or touching the lands. This is easily done with a solvent. The bullet is being pushed into the barrel hard enough to get stuck in the throat or beginning of the rifling. Press J to jump to the feed. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. I would not let him shoot at my house or with me anymore. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Just like flipping it around without flipping it around. FMJ-BT. Such a bullet, however, would produce the worst possible terminal ballistics. Either the case has to move, or the rim has to get torn off, or the extractor has to let go. There is a vast difference in trying different powders and different bullets, seating at different depths etc.,than turning bullets around, creating dangerous pressures, and splitting necks. I have used these techniques a dozen times when a full time gunsmith, never failed. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. In the mean time, it really doesnt make that much difference. It is far too easy to become complacent with reliance on quality. The more turbulence, the more drag on a bullet. This is done by marking the shaft of a cleaning rod at the muzzle while it is resting against the stuck bullet. Use a dowel just smaller than the bore, you wont hit the primer. Solano Verde Water District A buddy I was shooting with one day loaded .380 in his CM9 mag and fired. At the minimum spent brass needs to be neck sized to enable re-chambering, the cartridge case has expanded after firing so closes down the chamber tolerances that is why it feels hard to close the bolt and if the chamber is dirty you are only going to jam the case in there. I dont know how true this is, but it is gun lore that I picked up word-of-mouth over the years. I will need to ream the chamber to allow flat nose bullets to be . bullet stuck in chamber backwardsalata samina lemon. If you want extremely deep penetration and devastating terminal performance on dangerous game, then use hardcast lead bullets with large, flat meplats. #3. Let it set. This spring I was out on a prairie dog expedition with a group of friends. I am calling 100% Bullshit! Fortunately, there's a simple and easy way to remove a stuck bullet when it happens. Had to pound on the bolt handle with a hammer and block of wood to get the bolt open. Move rod to contact bullet tip. Its not the first time people have done dangerous things just because they wanted to confirm an internet rumor. Thanks for the tip! If the bullet sets back in the case. Mikey Hartman, Lt. Col. The ideal bullet shape, from an aerodynamics perspective, is something like a football. I love how the manual does not mention [cleaning before use] at all, and neither did the people who sold the gun to me at the gun shop. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Look. This is also a good lesson for guys that run their 9mm guns and 380 guns at the range. Slide is hesitant to move back forward when released. ken is right here, release the bolt hold open lever, to let it go all the way forward. What you described is converging on an arrow which has a pretty nice ballistic coefficient! Abrupt surfaces cause turbulence. I went out and bought a Marlin Self-Loader .22 Rifle. When he pushed it in I saw the top bullet flip off the top of the mag and land backwards. Wow, that's crazy. Causes a full lock up and the slide gets jammed back with no wiggle room at all. Ive got a problem with this video. My first instinct would be to try to yank the bullet with needle nose pliers. I've had a similar issue but the round was out of spec and in the rifling. The round is the Winchester PDX1. The bullets had a slightly hollow base so you got something that approached a hollow point round. Or I shoot the LCP first to use up all the ammo before I break out the 9mm. Sold a guy a Glock 19 and a few weeks later sold him a Glock 23. russia and china vs nato war who would win. The slide then goes forward, pushing a new cartridge back into the chamber. The round is in the chamber but the slide won't move forward or backward. Hello. Turn down the volume, obnoxious music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_N71iYZHd8. The rod is then removed, laid along the barrel with the locating mark even with the muzzle, and a mark is made on the outside of the barrel at the end of the rod. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. Always load bullets with the base of the bullet facing the primer. JavaScript is disabled. The old jointed aluminum cleaning rods you used to see so often are to be avoided. I would not be surprised if there were barrel damage also, especially around the throat area. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Now in order to insure the gun is empty, rack the slide back and push the slide lock upward with your thumb.