Me – exclusively TrainerRoad I purchased a new Stages SB20 this week. Unfortunately, the SB20 won’t re-transmit your data through. It’s not a constant grind, but sort of pulses with the pedal stroke. When I connect to my Garmin in the first step, one BT connection won’t happen. It’s worse in variability than the Stages Bike for sure. While you can use the Zwift mobile companion app for additional sensors, I find that can be sometimes a bit flaky. On a side note, do you think you will ever test the new Technogym Skillbike? Did you resolve the noise coming from the flywheel? Boom! Personally, Zwift has too much visual garbage going on – I much prefer the small group races in Rouvy with real outdoor video. My wife – “free ride”, maybe following along with app spin classes. I suspect Stages has a massive upperhand here having produced gazillions of bikes before. As you said, 10-15% swings in power change the nature of the intervals and make ERG mode… something else. These are used for connecting additional shifters you can place wherever you want. Really annoying as you cannot have a ride upload through Garmin connect and give you intensity data. Thanks I live on the top floor of my apartment building – so my primary concern is the noise level and not disturbing my downstairs neighbors. 1. That’s quite unusual (but welcomed!) Price isn’t so much an issue – i just want to get the right bike, but it seems impossible to test ride them in the UK. However, I’m happy to say that the Stages Bike mirrors that of the Wattbike Atom and there’s no thigh-gap issue. thanks for the great review. Does anyone have thoughts on ways I could introduce some ‘wobble’ to the SB20. In any case…. B) Accessory hardware: Clearly Stages has the most flexibility here, mostly because they’ve built a lot of this stuff today. Well, in my case I’ve been doing a lot of TrainerRoad workouts the last month, and unequivocally the answer is: It’s not a smooth operator. Probably going to have to return it. For example, for my accuracy testing section, I recorded the data on a Garmin Edge 830 & 1030 Plus, as well as the trainer apps. It definitely feels a whole lot better. Essentially, had it not been for the fact that guys like us have done battle with stages (and other mfrs) apps/tech for years, it would have been a techsupport issue before you’ve even taken a single ride. The Stage Bike (SB2) follows all of the industry norms as you’d expect from most trainers/smart bikes these days. That’s a big bummer, as they really help you feel like the shift is made. Again, that’s weird though. Here’s my most recent gadget recommendations guide and trainers here – covering almost every category of sports gadgets out there. Zwift seems to hold a better connection. I can now say with confidence that ERG mode has significantly improved in the most recent firmware updates. From there I’m able to save the file and upload it to whatever platform I like. MSRP: $2,899.99. It would be good if DCRainmaker would chime in with their perspective. The SB20 has a freewheel to allow for coasting, like a normal bike. I’m guessing I’ll have the first one in the state! I can’t keep saying this enough, and the more I use other bikes, the more I like Wahoo’s shifting. Mine was adjusted by a technician and it seems to grind still. My outdoor bike is now cleaned up and in storage – ready for the outdoor season in a few months and no longer getting flogged by multiple users in our family. Do you have a tip how to create a bike fitting for the SB20? IMO, this is the smart bike to get of the 3 big ones out now. Now in talking to Stages, they say part of the trouble is the gigantic Gouda cheese flywheel they have up there, which is sorta like wrestling a bull. Realistically that’ll last you at least a year – unless you’re putting in crazy hours on it weekly. As you probably noticed by looking below, I also take time to answer all the questions posted in the comments – and there’s quite a bit of detail in there as well. I saw in the user guide that a 12 × 8.68 × 0.27 inch tablet is the max size supported. I’m thinking of mounting a 16″ USB powered monitor (landscape), and hooking it up to a fire TV stick (also powered off the USB). They are similar to smart trainers, but are slightly different and offer more benefits.. See also: Best Smart Bike Trainers In this article, we’ll talk about the benefits of a smart bike and what it is and why you might want to purchase one. I tried TrainerRoad and Zwift via both ANT+ & BLE. The Stages Bike is in many ways like those others, but also in many ways not. I’m trying to figure out peripherals/connections while I wait a few weeks for it to get here. Thanks for both of the reviews, very helpful in making a choice between different smart bikes (SB20 vs Wahoo). Today’s ride was also made with a beta firmware version, though there’s no changes in that related to accuracy (it’s related to re-instating dual Bluetooth Smart connections). These days that’s not currently allowed, so they drop it at your door and you’ve gotta man or woman-up and make it work. I wish I could comment on my $3000 SB20 from Stages, but it was delivered defective. Yep. SRM Bike: I just don’t see this as a competitor in this space. Only had mine a week. The first time you do so you’ll get the option to create your virtual bike. No problem, I’ve got plenty of those. Fingers crossed supply chains open up again sooner rather than later. The biggest beast in fact – coming in at a whopping 50 pounds (22.7kg) The KICKR bike flywheel is a mere 5.9KG and the WattBike Atom’s is 9.3kg. Unfortunately there are almost no instructions for this. So it’s not even an issue. that’s what i do. it’s very robust if you ask me and stages have gone out of their way to allow you to find a specific problem and follow the multiple steps to resolve it, finally, as a last (or maybe first) resort, you should go to the sb20 facebook group. Do you think it would be possible for stages to engineer a new handlebar setup and offer it as an upgrade, or would we be looking at waiting for the v2 bike in your opinion? Speaking of which, let’s take a look at this entire front console setup. The knocking which rainmaker talked about in his review has started happening and is getting progressively worse. Mark, thanks for the update. Losing confidence in this site. They take your money then lose interest. It clearly worked ok for you on Apple TV, I believe, but that may not be true using say a Windows platform. Designed by the indoor cycling experts with a fitness studio-quality Stages Indoor cycling frame for unsurpassed stability and durability, and a quiet, maintenance-free Gates … Not spikes to 330w. Hoping they can get the ERG sorted out–this really sounds like the winner from a multi rider set up option point of view. My initial intention was trying to say that I believe long-term Zwift will beat Wahoo/Tacx/Stages/etc in the stand-alone bike game, assuming they adopt a Peloton model (screen+bike+service), for a semi-reasonable fee. While the right side will increment the rear cassette (again, virtually). Support doesn’t respond to tickets. I was a pro road rider for 5 years and this bike is working very well for me in erg mode, which is all i ride. Either way, Stages customer service is pretty well known as being super responsive, so I’m not super worried about it at this point. Stages also includes cadence and speed data here. I do like the look of Kickr, but then was looking at the bike.. changing bikes can be a chore I guess. If anybody has tested, please share your experience, I reached out to Stages on their facebook page and here is what I heard back. All of them feel pretty good. This is because of the lack of top-tube frame design. Whilst the SB20 build is great there are clearly significant issues with software. Coincides with the brakes too. It’s basically the same exact problem that Tacx had with their beefed up NEO 2T internals, and to a lesser degree some of the challenges Wahoo had initially too in ERG mode on the KICKR Bike. I have tried with the Stages Power App but that did not seem to resolve the issue. The meters keep connecting but always reading “0” for power. No, really, it’s physically very solid. All it does is stop sweat for getting places it shouldn't (it also helps with vibrations too). Today I noticed an upgrade for the crank PMs, but it took multiple attempts before both cranks showed the same 1.71 version. Yup – will follow-up. The Stages Bike transmits data on both ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart as well, allowing interactive resistance control across both ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart. I was just wondering if you were planning to update your smartbike shootout anytime soon. In your experience, does the wahoo feel shaky, and are the shifters and lack of flywheel drive on the stages annoying or just a minor downside? 5) Seat tilt. With the StagesBike SB20, Stages Cycling joins a small list of companies making such a machine, and it’s best in class in stability and ease of … Don’t need much – just a bit of give. Wondering if the iPAd app will also get this feature soon? Beyond the ATOM X being beefed up for commercial usages, it also has vibrations in the shifters, which the Wattbike ATOM 2020 doesn’t have. link to whatsonzwift.com. “ It would be good if DCRainmaker would chime in with their perspective. Your email address will not be published. That’s always kinda been the gap for Stages. It’s a whir whir noise. But, my guess is if you ping the Stages folks, they’ll answer pretty darn quick and sort ya out. With dual BT functionality these days its less of an issue but it can be maddening sometimes when your app won’t see a device, all cos your phone in your pocket is holding onto a connection . Fair point – I forgot about the increased price of Tacx stuff in the US. It doesn’t sound smooth either. https://support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001671264-What-Software-and-Apps-are-Available-for-the-KICKR-, https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/220633087-Wahoo-Fitness-and-Strava, Outside the Box Quick Tip on Tire Inflation. I bought the SB20 for my wife, she has been using it two weeks and currently 30 minute sessions are her limit before saddle soreness kicks in. Esp if you want control of the bike through ERG/SIM etc. I will be very interested to read your next post about Zwift, but from what I’m hearing from you already doesn’t fill me with confidence. Super functional and stable. The future-proof technology is ever adapting, adding features like cassette … However, my general guidance on KICKR BIKE vs SB20 is that the SB20 is a solid bike, and the KICKR Bike is a great bike too. All of my time is on TrainerRoad using ERG mode, so far the experience is disappointing with the high levels of drift above and below the target power. Thank you. While I’ve previously done an Indoor Smart Bike Shootout with the Wahoo Bike, Tacx Bike, and Wattbike Atom – that did not include the Stages bike, since the Stages Bike was about 8 months late to the party. I find it really strange that folks are implementing changers via little buttons rather than paddles. On the other hand, the power readings still fluctuate enough above and below the target that Zwift won’t give me a “star” for the block more often than not (though to be honest, this could just be because I’m fairly new to cycling and Zwift, and haven’t figure out how use everything properly). You’ll also notice there’s brakes on each side of the handlebar. Bluetooth Smart Power Meter Profile: This broadcasts as a standard BLE power meter with cadence. Let’s dig into an interval: Again, we have to separate target power stability, from actual power accuracy. It’s actually written in text, but I’m waiting on a calibration kit from Peloton to see if I can get things just a bit closer accuracy-wise. Unfortunately still waiting on a response from Stages. A) Saddle fore/aft: 3-5 seconds I’d also question how successful that’ll be. I’ve yet to see anything to indicate that it does ANT+ FE-C or Bluetooth Smart FTMS. It has trouble with the balance between varying cadence, actual power and target power from the three on-board power-meters.. as well as dealing with the flywheel. Its gone from “1.8.3+850” to “1.9.2+2629”. Yes, it has 165mm, 170mm, 172.5mm, 175mm options. I have a SB20 waiting for me at the store but I am on the edge to cancel my order as I am worried about the ERG mode with SUFFERFEST. It sounds like an electrical noise. And there’s no other way to install any other power meters on the bike at the same time to find out. It’s not clear to me if your lack of power reporting is in the stages apps or a 3rd app like Zwift or Sufferfest. (Wife did a big about turn and changed her … Software has been great. Stefan, Stages sells a a replacement seat post that can be quickly swapped to change each saddle. – Dedicated rubberized spot for placing your phone, with two USB ports below While I typically argue against software smoothing, I think in this rare case they need to apply a little bit more so that it’s at least usable to figure out what power levels I hit. I connect the SB20 to Zwift for full control and connect my Garmin to the crank arms, or a different app. I spoke to Stages on the phone on 4 December concerning a problem when using it with TrainerRoad where ERG mode caused the Link App to no longer work until the bike was disconnected from the power supply and reconnected sometimes several times. What’s worse is that for such an expensive product Stages support is dreadful. What app OS are you trying to use – mobile or desktop, and then which OS? No, I use sufferfest in level mode for my training. These were ostensibly put there for when Zwift wanted to enable steering/veering. I am heavy user of sufferfest so this is quite important to me. Be it a bike computer or watch, or an app – it’ll be supported. I also find that powering off the bike and back on is required in order to get it to accept resistance control changes. I am curious have you had experience with or feedback about replacing the power meters on the crank arms? With the SB20, I get out of the saddle and it responds in a strange/unrealistic way.. But after 3 seconds it’s gone again. Left/right power is very useful to see. None in our bike shops though. I assume you weren’t using TR’s Powermatch? Jay compares two interactive indoor cycles. I've been using it, and a similiar European version lately with great success (exact EU variant I use is automatically linked at left). That is very important if you can’t rest but still continue to ride downhill. I did read a lot of reviews and choose this one, and then with a lot of surfing on the web I managed to locate a couple at a local small dealer. At $5,000, it’s mostly for various research purposes and is designed in that realm. for these products. So much so that I even made a full review video on it. Is it possible with the Stages? Basically I’m looking to run something like Zwift or TR, have ERG/app control and shifting work perfectly within that app whilst also recording all available data via the Garmin head unit (speed, power, cadence, torque, balance etc). The Wahoo Bike is louder than both, and the Wattbike Atom V1 louder than all those. Whatever you do, don’t purchase from Clever Training. so the issue you’re having is that rouvy is trying to control the bike but the link app won’t give up control. You should check out my videos. P.S. the belt is a toothed gates carbon belt which has a feeling/sensation kind of like riding with a chain. I have been looking around the web and don’t really get any great answers. They just need more software developers. There is no way I would spend $1200 on Kickr vs $2700 on the SB20….the SB20 is in a completely different world. The most common question I receive outside of the “what’s the best GPS watch for me” variant, are photography-esq based. For ERG mode, it just isn’t quite there, it takes 10-15secs to ramp up from 200w to 320w and by which time the 30sec interval is almost over and the same going back down to say 135w. (IE In ‘Resistance’ mode, Great article and write-up, Thank you! D) Front end foreward/back: If lucky, a few seconds, if not lucky, 30 seconds of @#$@# (it’s sticky). It’d have to be instant, and typically speaking it’s going to be hard for the Bluetooth side of that to be that quick. Those things they’re upset about might well be valid (often though, I find those people never even bother to contact support). If you're shopping for the Stages Bike (SB20) or any other accessory items, please consider using the affiliate links below! That’s because it spikes your power (since it requires more effort to pedal with the brakes on, just like outside). Mine makes the same noise. I suspect one could swap out the Tacx bike front-end somehow, but the devil is in the details there. In the US, it’s the opposite. Not a big deal, since they include a front cover plate. That’s what I expected with a £2700 purchase. Two of which are used by default on each side. I resolved this by having the sufferfest just connect to the bike and not the individual power meters. I shouldn’t have to update three things. IMHO it boils down to stages years in this space and comparing a purpose build INDOOR bike vs taking an OUTDOOR bike and trying to repurpose it as an indoor bike. The Stages Smart Bike is designed by our indoor and outdoor experts and is equipped with an advanced frame system, that offers unsurpassed stability and durability, and numerous features for a revolutionary riding experience. Also, in … Massive review, thanks Ray! But the rest in terms of *potential* are all pretty even. So instead of shifting just up/down once (as the rear shifter does), this can shift a customizable number of times. I am in the same situation, in my case for setting up our “mini-gym” between neighbours. They do a version of spinning called “RPM” but at the moment its just non-interactive videos. Stages is $2,899 and Tacx Bike is $3,199 – which, makes sense. I just finished setting up my new SB 20 smart bike. No one has yet “Apple’ized” the indoor experience (Maybe Peleton for that type of user). The SB20 falls into the smart bike category and offers precise adjustment points to replicate a rider's outdoor bike fit as specifically as possible. Next, there’s auxiliary ports on the stem of the bike. – Usability between riders and super quick and clean (not clunky like some bikes) But, if I graph the mean-max chart, then you see it more clearly: However, mind you that where those two dots are is *ONLY A 3-watt difference* – technically in-spec. there’s nothing stopping you from pairing to both zwift app and garmin. It takes 8/9 days to get a response to a ticket and any other e-mail follow up is just ignored. Is there any way you can use your influence to get Stages ‘Up to speed’ with customer support. The purpose of adjustability to shifting in an indoor bike may not seem obvious at first. Road: With the road bike config, you’ve got a standard 1x and 2x configurations. Because why would those people go out of their way to a random site to write a review about something they’re happy with? Love your site and appreciate all the info! rouvy works on the sb20 just fine. When the fan is on and or music you would never notice it. But also because it’s effectively infinitely customizable. Wanna save some cash and support the site? i can assure you though, rouvy works perfectly fine on the SB20. For each company’s smart bike that I’ve unboxed, I’ve seen slightly different tacks taken with their box design. Thanks I spend > 80% of my time in ERG mode, so this may be a deal breaker for me if Stages isn’t able to get it resolved quickly. Hi Ray, I read your and other tests on various smart bikes. One question… If trainers or apps don’t support these standards, then it makes it far more difficult for you as the end user. In a non-COVID19 world, Stages had planned so-called ‘white-glove’ delivery, just like a Peloton bike. When people think of the best Spin bike, two brands come to mind: Peloton and the Spinner Shift Commercial by Mad Dogg Athletics. However, the plug does power other aspects. I’m confident they’ll be there if anything goes wrong. That said, intensity minutes, calories, etc… all come from HR (or power if there), so you should actually be getting those added in. I have a Garmin heart rate monitor that only transmits on Ant+. Especially if you ignore that I got slightly seasick! However, I’m struggling to see what the USP of the Stages bike is – why would I buy this over the Tacx (notwithstanding customer service and aftercare might in itself be the USP here)? You don’t have to, but it’s super well built and I’ve found good uses for it. Powermeter shortly pops up when i remove and replace the battery. I really appreciate the help. F) Power cord Beyond the aerobar attachment, all other TT/triathlon-type aspects would really fall more under the rest of the FIT section above. Cheers, As you remember from before, I selected to install the included tablet holder. with watts around 150 and cadence at 100+, the top speed is only around 12 mph. DC Rainmaker 2019 swim, bike, run, and general gear list. 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