She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. Sir I would not kill somebody and I definitely wouldnt kill somebody I never met, Rorrer said. So, lets take your response one step at a time. There was widespread speculation that the sisters were shot in an honor killing a practice in some cultures in which men kill female relatives who are thought to have brought shame upon their families. The FBI even included a written report to that effect. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree Patty is my cousin. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Patricia Exactly Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. Yassein Saids sentencing has been set for June 4. FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. Said's defense attorney said he will be filing a notice to appeal. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. Yaser Said's ex-wife Patricia Owens gives victim statement after guilty verdict Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours from Riverside to Los Angeles and sit in court all day, Patricia said. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her.
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HUe7C22R>_%m~e5?h Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. 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In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? CHOOSE1s Three Strikes Reform Act needs 500,000 signatures by July 17 to make the November ballot, CHOOSE1 files new initiative to reform Californias Three Strikes law, The First Friday doc premieres this week at the New Parkway. Have a tip we should know? You are absolutely right. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. Not gender neutral. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. Animals would have for sure. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? Both were deceased. Justice is about uncovering the truth. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. There are a number of issues in the case, Kelley said in a letter to his associate, Christopher Darden, including the competency of counsel, prosecutorial misconduct and, of course, compelling legal error by the court.. Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 45 counts of using a firearm Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. Patricia Wright is a prisoner in Central California Womens Facilitys Nursing Unit coping with an extraordinary array of challenges. Jenkins' family left the courtroom without comment on Friday, but they hugged each other once the sentence was ordered. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. Its a video on Utube Judges For Justice featuring her case. It was Patricias hair no question. Have a tip or story idea? Especially mice! But none of those charges ever stuck. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. I noticed quite a few errors myself. If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. "There is nothing I or anyone can say to make what you've been put through any easier," Patricia Prue said. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. "The one thing I am guilty of is bringing the person who committed this crime to Vermont, and for that, I'm truly sorry" Allen Prue said in an apparent reference to his wife during his December sentencing. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. The LAPD alleged that Patricias motive was to get Jeromes insurance money, which had a value of $30,000. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. A Florida mother, who allegedly lied to police that her son with autism was abducted by two black men, was charged with the child's murder, police said. A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial issues and that Jerome was dying of liver cancer and only had 60 days to live. While Patricia does not qualify for medical parole, she can still file for executive clemency or compassionate release, which she has already done and which was met with more resistance from Gov. Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). Hoist by my own petard! "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. Patricia Wrights brother, Larry Wright, 47, and her neighbor, Janet Marcelin, 55, both testified that Patricia Wright and Lawrence Slaughter committed the murder but recanted their testimony after Patricia was sentenced to life without possibility of parole. Have you read the book? She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. Pal stays true. What definition? Very similar. (Nope. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. Why not question some of this evidence? As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. Patricia said she didn't have plans to attend Weinstein's trial since she was spending time with her 16-year-old daughter, Harlow, but praised Rosanna's "bravery." Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial Flaw in reasoning. "The family has been very patient. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. They are total bs. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. According to the Division of the Adult Institutions and Gov. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? These two offenses were classified as felonies when they should have been only misdemeanors, since the property stolen was valued under $400. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Beautifully said Cliff! They claim in a 911 call from the night of the murders, Sarah said her father was attacking her. This article is little more than fiction. Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. After reading this forum and hearing the details of this case, Iowa sure seems a lot fairer in my eyes. He tried to claim someone else murdered them and that the night his daughters were killed someone was following them. False. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. Liesbeth Powers/The I dont think so. That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. Patricia Owens, In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. Sad discovery. I had never been in jail before and I wasnt allowed to go outside. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. Combination locks. Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. A federal jury found Yassein Abdulfatah Said, 59, guilty on one count of conspiracy to conceal a person from arrest, one count of concealing a person from arrest and one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. He was sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. That poor child and that poor woman. (A good point. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. Thats all for this post. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. Said tried to blame the FBI for not searching for an unknown person, he said, was the real killer. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. THE COPS SET HER UP. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. Phone records dont lie.) Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. Patricia complied fully with the original investigation of the crime and wasnt a suspect because none of the blood or fingerprints found at the crime scene matched hers. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. During the trial, the prosecutor said that the insurance reward would have been $180,000, which was totally exaggerated, said Arletta Wright, Patricias sister, who has been championing Patricias innocence from the beginning of Patricias time in prison. We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva.