'IlllillililT^ililfllllliHlil, 7.65 mm. If this was a coin, it would no doubt raise its value, but I doubt if it did that for this pistol. They are usually on and/or near the front of the trigger guard. Serial number has been in two different places also. In this case the O, 1944. II.-This 9 mm. This gun was made in 6.35mm, 7.65mm and .380 acp. That being the case, I would think it very rare as it is the first I have seen. It was a well made gun with fair tolerances, so parts were interchangeable within its own brand. I I I I^.i I.I I I I^ I) I I I I tea* . Normally they have soft checkered rubber grips that do not last. Post War serial numbers are all offset. Even then the amount of time and resources required is a pretty big deal. This dates from about 1935 and was produced until about 1954. Llama model IV - 9mm largo - 38 acp. The Omni was not a success, primarily because the sophistication of the piece led to production costs, and a retail price, that far exceeded many of its more conventional rivals. However, many police departments do not offer this service. Purdey, James (London) 1814-1900. It just looks almost brand new with almost no wear. Check the Serial Number data field in the BIOS Main menu. 325 7.65 mm. Always have.
Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Although Spain began proof marking shotguns in 1910, it was not until July 18, 1923, nearly 5 years after the end of the first world war that Spain's proofing system for its pistols came into use. Remington Firearms Llama records appear to be non existent on any of the guns they sold or they are being held in seclusion. This gun has no proof marks whatsoever. 528. Llama is now the trade name for handguns that are manufactured by Bersa in Argentina. 529. X-A.-This is identical to Mod. Several styles of grip pieces and markings have been noted. This gun was also made with a raised area where the rib is that has lines to deflect glare. Most likely there are many out there but this type of gun was never put in German records or marked with Nazi marks. Some time after the late 1980's. Not complaining but I'm curious why this got moved since the my Llama is a 1911 design. The pistols that were built after 1936 will have slide markings that readLLAMA GABILONDO Y CIA. The pre-war serial # on the butt reads with barrel to the right including I frame serial numbers on the fore strap. The serial number is pretty low: 607179
t 11 l?T it:t*tttl t ftfluc^ f I iff 1 ff fl cTTt v > 1, (TTr1! Officers were to furnish their own guns so many Llamas were sold, although I have only seen one large caliber gun with the Geco mark. i , I i 'l i I , 'I ., i I I ' fiM iiin.l.,3! I was identical to Mod. During the period of 1992 to 2005they struggled with a lack of sales causing them to have to takethe company public in 2002 to keep the doors open. This stamp identifies the importer of this pistol as Stoeger Industries, and tells us that they are located in South Hackensack, New Jersey. 5T' ^ .f l.ri^amln.TlMMt.ffl,;,!,! Most likely there are many out there but this type of gun was never put in German records or marked with Nazi marks. Advertisement. They had the straight serrations of the earlier series. Second Variant Humpback The second variant has the serial number on the left arm of the slide, near the front. On the plus side, every marking on a firearm will help to tell us its history and this importers mark is no different. Stoger as a firearms importer went out of buisness long ago, The name is used today by a publishing company. 2514, l'l'l'l'J'H I' I' IM ' I' t I > I' I III HJ I IH|' > M' HJ I I' I' IM f I 'J M M *!I' * I n, 'Til :l'llll!llM)|l|'|i||? I have a Llama Especial 9mm (380. Archivo Municipal de Eibar records show that Iraola Salaverria y Cia only produced 10,000 guns total and Hijos de Angel Echeverria y Cia produced 154,000. 14624. This dates from about 1935 and was produced until about 1954. This is the early Llama legend and then changed to the ones below. As follower of the group you will receive email notifications of events in the group. The flaming bomb proof indicated that a semi-automatic pistol was fired and had passed two proof loads, each of which was 30 percent more then the normal maximum operating pressure. *f j : 11: t i : ' : ' i?. You must click the search button to get your results. Simply input the gun's serial number into the search field to see if your weapon is listed. p | II 111 ' I . Enter the words "gun serial number" in the search bar, followed by the portion of the number before the first hyphen. The serial number is C23709. I haveseen another like it. Ensure that the firearm is completely unloaded. III-A.-This post-World War II version of Mod. The LF which stands for long frame came in a variety of finishes, but never Stainless Steel as may be claimed. I except for magazine capacity. so on. i in I m iTii mi h1 h m li ii?i n nln m IimiIhmIi in In i?l 11 n Im7?Im nlitill m li li m^lin i Iniilni li, 111111111 j. It has a double grip safety. When first issued no model number was assigned but the factory catalog designation was No. 36228, No. On some guns this proof may appear on the left rear of the slide, on the left of the frame or on the barrel in the ejection port. This gun, manufactured in 1980, is blow back operated. Thanks for the link. It has a lanyard ring, arched mainspring housing and checkered wood grips with no Llama medallion. This was prior to the 68 GCA so no import marks were required along with the fact that Interarms was a CIA operation. VII, but with the addition of a grip safety. iiull.l'%'lr. However, factory literature of 1936-39 shows this model in .45 cal. This is a Commander size with a double stack magazine. Sometimes the mark is on the left side below the slide release. Tauler model P 9mm Have seen this gun listed as 38 Super. Owners of these rifles should contact Daisy at 1-800-354-8841 for information on returning their gun (s). Work on a new design began in 1931 and culminated in 1932 with a Spanish patent issued on April 12th of that year. Llama XI A - 9mm P - full size gun with 5" barrel . It has no lock back on the slide at all. This is the label on the box for this gun. Largo (Bergmann) caliber. I have come to the conclusion that my pistol is a X-A and not a X. I have read that the Model X-A had a grip safety added when production of this model began in 1954. They were known for manufacturing several models of both inexpensive pistols and revolvers prior to 1931. XI.-This is a 9 mm. The serial number is listed after the word "Serial Number," "SSN," "S/N," or "SN.". The demand of used LLAMA AUTO 45 pistol's has risen 1 units over the past 12 months. This type of grip was used on the model V at one time. That's when the feds demanded all guns, after '68, receive serial numbers. But unless the owner speaks up and wants to sell, then you'll never know. Parker. The slide is marked "Llama Cal 45" on one side and "Gabilondo CIA VITORIA (Espana)" on the other. I'm trying to identify it. 175). The gun looks identical to the model VII in every respect except the caliber markings. m 1 itTlii n f iu?lii i jiii4?itt 11 li tiTlut 11 < i M liiiili t iTi tin It j^^ii 11111' I tt 11111*'! Mod. Early versions of this gun were marked as Military and Police on the right side with 9mm Bergman 38 Superon the front of the slide. It was an imitation of Colt Mod. 1911. This gun appears to be one made the third year they made them. I am thinking that Llama had a slide or more that were over runs and they simply used them on later guns, but have no way of knowing for sure. Looking mostly for the model IV, VII, VIand the Ruby 45 even as a parts gun but will consider anything. u < I, ' 1 1 ! Starting in 1927 Spanish law required them to be there when being made so they were there at least before the war started. Mod. X. Mod. This gun was made for the American market is the reason it was marked for the 38 Super. Llama 380 Serial Number History Introduced in 1996. 1911. Mod. This model was produced until about 1954. Short, second blowback pattern and more closely approached the external shape of the Mod. They also made it with El Soldado stamped on the slide, meaning the Soldier. With N date code manufactured in 1942. To order a gun with a custom serial number, please have your FFL Firearms Dealer contact us at 1-800-821-5783 and ask for Jessica. 6758, ' 1 ' ' ',1 ' ' ' ' ' ' 111 ' ' ' ' t * ' ' ' ' ' '1 ' ' ' ' ' ' 'I''I'1<|I''1I'''J 111111111 ij 1111111111111M1111111 ' 111 n 11 ij 111111 ' 1 ' 11111 y ; 11 11111 . This addition seems to have been the first application of a grip safety to a Llama pistol and was introduced prior to World War II. To decode any Mac serial number type the model number (i.e. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Trades Accepted: We Buy, Sell, or Trade. Short version of the Mod. Gustav Genschow & Co, imported guns from Spain to be sold to Nazi party members and marked their guns with the Geco logo which is a large G with the eco inside it. It is solid, reliable, accurate and the weight handles the 9mm recoil like a dream. Llama Extra with factory target sights. !im!llullMlIlin lili llllltllllllim jj iiiiliiiTiiiiilimliniliiitiiinlimliiiitiinliiiiliiMliiiiliif, ^^Tii lmtlii ^^ > i lili n^ii i tlii Tt 11111 ti 1 ft i In i * i t Ii i iTn itlt^!!?! The germans 'adopted' many commercial pistols to equip their military, Belgian, Polish, Italian etc., but I have never seen a commercial Llama. Llama Model 1, Walther P38, Llama 38.. All further shots will be fired in single action mode. Llama 380 Serial Number HistoryLlama Serial Number YearLlama 45 Serial Number LookupLlama Pistol Ser. The table below indicates the various year codes. Any help with this would be very much appreciated. Llama means Flame in Spanish, but they used the animal as their logo as well. For instance, my. X, with the addition of a grip safety, which was added immediately following World War II. 2.5 2.5 out of 5 stars (6) $47.99 $ 47. Short, second blowback pattern and more closely approached the external shape of the Mod. 316 7.65 mm. The guns were actually purchased by Les Ouvriers Reunies and from there went to the French gvernment. Seriously, you need the serial This proof looks like a flaming bomb because it is the firing proof of the gun. For some reason this first model produced later was designated Model IV. Llama 32 Serial Number Lookup The photograph on the left is a picture of the right side of the receiver just above the trigger. I have only seen five of them in the last 15 years. It seemed like the correct forum for the post as there were other posts related to the weapon already present there. The Llama M82 is hammer fired, double action pistol. Serial number- 399902. models of 1903, 1906, 1910, and 1922. It was manufactured from about 1936 to 1954. Search the Handgun Database X Use this form to search our database for handgun specifications, information and market values. I recently purchased a used 12 ga. semi-auto "Luigi Francia (not Franchi) Brescia" per engraving on receiver and barrel. A LLAMA 32ACP pistol currently has too little sold data to calculate an average price. i f t 11 t aTaf o iIt 1 *t t^TI tn I, No. The demand of new LLAMA 32ACP pistol's has risen 1 units over the past 12 months. Whether it is a X or XA it is a beautiful little piece and a heck of a lot of fun to shoot. Not being especially interested in revolvers I have decided to add another page to cover the Llama revolvers, but like the semi autos I dont trust anything that is out there about them so I will have to collect them also to make sure I have the correct information. 529. in three different positions on the slide and the Model Police is usually toward the front. Earlier issues had a lanyard ring at bottom of left side of the grip frame, but this ring was omitted in later issues and the grip pieces were redesigned. III is distinguished by the addition of the grip safety but otherwise is the same as Mod. Blow back operated, 5 shot mag,2 3/8" barrel, 4 3/4" overall length, 13 3/4oz. I will add here that Spain never bought guns from Llama for anygovernment agency unless it was the Trauler model VI for the Secret Service, that I can find any record of. 9 (U.S. : r 11 r^' 1! It was made prior to World War II only. Your help is appreciated. Largo (Bergmann) and .38 ACP calibers this appears to be the export version of Mod. V.-Made in 9 mm. My wife has a Llama .380 she inherited from her step-father. Gunsmithing, Troubleshooting & Refinishing, M1911 Disassembly and reassembly animations, Tests of Products of general shooters interest, Airsoft/Air Gun Modifications, Troubleshooting and Maintenance. If so, any suggestions as to where I might pick up a couple. Here are a couple pics of it, I can post serial numbers if they will help. On the LEFT side of LLAMA firearms, right above the tirgger, is This is a little known model used by the Spanish Policein .380 if it had a model number it is unknown by anyone. Largo (Bergmann) and .38 ACP calibers. All you have to do is type in the serial number for your gun, and the site will present you with its date of creationit's as simple as that. Vintage and antique guns may not have the serial number printed on the gun's body, because they were manufactured before the legal requirement to do so. It has no dovetail for the rear sight and both sights are silver soldered on, so it almost has to be Llama made entirely. Any ideas? For a revolver, where reloading takes place by means of the turning of a cylinder, an over pressure load is used. Maker unknown. IV.-This was the original Llama pistol, dating from 1931-32, in 9 mm. Apparently derived from the 1900 Model Mannlicher. III and is merely a smaller version of that model (Fig. DURAGRIPS - Llama IIIA XA XV III Micromax .22 .32 .380 Tactical Grips - Checker. Llama Mod. 111111111 y M i 111' I' 111 I y I 11' I' 11 I' I' I 'j I I M ' 111' I I' I y ' I' I' I')1 I I' I' I'l'J' ' I'l'l'l 1 I'l'j'l'l'l * I *' *' 'J' IM' 1 ' I' ' 'J ' 1 *1, No. Browning caliber, original blowback style, dating from about 193'31934, first issued without model designation, with factory catalog designation No. d'Armes LePage Lige, Belgium No. No visible import markings can be seen on this pistol. From my research, I think this is a German distributor, but I don't think it is Geco. LLama 38 special Description: Nice Llama 38 special, very similar to the Smith and Wesson 29-2 44 magnum revolver's, this gun has a little holster ware but retains about 90% of it's dark polished bluing, has a 4' vented barrel with good rifling, smooth trigger pull, locks up nice, nice grips. Work on a new design began in 1931 and culminated in 1932 with a Spanish patent issued on April 12th of that year. The serial number is 563842 which I *think* puts production somewhere around 1970-ish. Parabellum caliber was produced. In actuality there is no difference in the model VII M&P and the VIII M&P except for the markings. After that, when the safety is disengaged , the gun will be ready to fire the first shot in Double Action. 320 7.65 mm. The frame is numbered in the normal manner for a gun made in 98 and you can see where the old serial number and proof marks were removed. Mini Max - 9mm, .40 cal, .45 cal. This gun had a change in the way the safety was made to the same look as the later model I above had. VII.-This pistol in 9 mm. Possibly more but the other one I have seen. Jul 7, 2015. Llama does have a chart . Mod. The pistols these 4 companies, Armera Elgoibaressa y Cia, Echealasa y Vincinai y Cia, , Hijos de Angel Echeverria y Cia, produced were not of the Gabilondo quality but were accepted by the French government. On that pistol it will probably be a letter followed by a number, with an * between. I would not exactly call it a rib because it doesn't appear to be for that purpose. |I|'|II JI|i|IH|'ll|'l'ji PPI'I'PI'I Jl|'|ll'|'l'l'l'ji|l|l I I|' ' . If you do a Google search of Stoeger and read the Wikipedia entry on the company and do the same for Llama you can get a general idea of the DOM. This import stamp reads as follows, 'STOEGER INDUSTRIES' and then underneath that is 'S. It has been suggested that the name Modello IV may have been reserved for the Tauler pistol which is identical to it. Seriously, you need the serial number in order to tell the age of a firearm.560996 On the LEFT side of LLAMA firearms, right above the tirgger, is an Alpha-Numeric Code. ELOEIBAR (ESPANA)and be marked with the caliber of the handgun such as CAL. On Windows 7, press Windows + R, type "cmd" into the Run dialog, and then press Enter. Libia Exported by Fab. Caliber is marked on the front of the slide where is says Llama and can be seen in the larger photo. The serial number on the handgrip of a Llama Model II is "HLT". This is in 38 Super and is only the second I have seen. VI.-This has been reported to be in 9 mm. 226 Williams Ln. When first issued no model number was assigned but the factory catalog designation was No. 3889, No. Both are identical to the Llama Mod. Exploded view of the IIIA, VIII, .IXA, XIA. 'Izarra' Pistola Automtica Bonifacio Echeverra Eibar, Spain No. Ask it to dinner and a movie? We find a lot of Llamas from the 30's that have their proof marks removed and I feel like this was done in the refinishing. I strongly suspect that Gabilondo y Cia started a continuous one ascending number system from the point where they adopted the Llama name (early 1930s?). Police Checks of Firearms (Stolen Gun Database) Having the local police check the federal database continues to be the most accurate way to look up gun history by serial number to ascertain whether or not a used firearm is lost or stolen. 508, 11.! iflilimtT' ' f ^ I