I have been told 3M 1000 grit buffing compound would work. There are lots of rubbing compounds on the market. What product and grit, and process, would you recommend, or should I just learn to live with it? At this point, is it safe to try again after some more time? Can you tell me what I need to do to to make this a Matte finish, we have applied one coat of varnish with the satin label. Our wood trim is too “shiny” for my taste. I use multiple coats of high gloss, sanding in between coats. Questions about ‘rubbing out’ the high gloss finish. Fortunately, there is a way that just about ANY finish can be improved and it happens well after the final coat is applied. I own a rotex but it doesn’t come out very often. The final steps of the process bring the surface to a super deep gloss. Some are higher quality than others but whether or not you use a particular material depends on what else you’re using and what your sheen goals are. I just had some kitchen cabinet doors refinished in oil-based lacquer, eggshell or satin finish. Polish goes EVERYWHERE. No bannisters but I did srip[ an oak dresser that had many may layers of white gloss on it. Step away! I guess it’s because I didnt use padded sand discs. Where do you play? Might improve the results. Now it feels like a Ferrari. You can potentially correct it by using the method shown in this video, depending on what the finish is and how thick of a film you have to work with. Hi Marc…I noticed in your video that you are wearing a WOD t-shirt. Make the puddle about the size of your gloss applicator. Once the surface is leveled, we can proceed with abrading the surface with increasingly higher and higher grits. How does the bag of M&M peanuts fit into the process(3:18)? I had hoped to use a layer of west systems epoxy as a top coat on a large (40″x99″x8/4) live edge slab. You might try abrading the surface with 1000-2000 grit paper and soapy water as a lubricant. I use the 150/3. Even after two coats you’ll still be able to sand it smooth but you still want to take it easy. So I’m a relative beginner at this, and I’ve just applied shellac for the first time, on a cherry bookcase. Thanks will give it a try, Next time I know to start by checking out this site. Required fields are marked *. Christian. It looks like the ets150/3. But if using a varnish, you just need to keep the final coat fairly thick so that you don’t burn through. When fully dry, remove the crust together with the paint residues with a stiff brush or stripping knife. It should. Very informative video that I want to try…but have a couple questions White there are traditional abrasive powders that you can use for this purpose, like rottenstone and pumice, the newest formulations in automotive rubbing compounds work like a charm. I hope you can help me. Looking good, then I used the IP2000 with a surbuf pad…. I do wet sand through the higher grits in the smoothing stage, but overall smoothing involves less time since each higher grit takes only a little time since in smoothing, the work is already level and it’s a matter of replacing larger scratches with smaller ones. Is that right? I see that Festool recommends using the Rotex for polishing steps (after finishing with the platin abrasive), and also sells sheepskin and various foam/felt pads and “MPA ” polishing compounds “5000” and “8000” which they say are to be used with an alternate stickfix pad with a green back (not the blue back one you show in your photos). 3. Removing Gloss Paint From Wood You can sand gloss paint for hours but because it’s a finishing coat gloss paint is strong and durable, so it’s a time-consuming job. Pour a puddle of low-gloss polyurethane in the far corner of the floor. Prior to dying the wood, I raised the grain with water and then sanded off the fuzzy grain with 400 grit. Let it dry, buff it with 240-grit sandpaper, and vacuum up the dust. Breaking down the gloss on the finish will allow an otherwise sound coat of paint to remain as primer with no other treatment required. Sand it very lightly, buffing it in quick, small strokes. Thank you for your consideration, Any thoughts? Just one quick question. The process above looks like overkill for this, and I suspect I need to do it by hand. However, now I need some advice. As an alternative to wet sanding in the leveling process, I’ve had good results with Norton 3x. Is there a mistake somewhere? Hi Marc, I’ve been watching all your vids on finishing an am a bit confused on what grit sand paper to use to sand between coats. How to Remove Glue from Wood. I’m working on refinishing a table top and ran into a problem. Everything has a nice luster but you can see the burn through when the light hits it right. More importantly, and what surprised me about the process, is that it FEELS glass smooth, which it didn’t before with the just the arm-r-seal (little teeny nips and sags). What over the counter polish should I use? Having said that, if you’ve got an old paint brush with thick bristles it can be used to get under the layers of gloss and it just peels off. Wood floors are usually topped with a gloss layer to protect the wood and give it a shine. Prep Your Wall or Surface. Everything has gone well up to this point. Amazing videos – great stuff. I would guess that if you wait longer, you should be able to repeat the wax and steel wool process with success. Is it necessary to remove all of the shiny areas after the first three coats have been applied? What specific product are you referring to? I was told by paint shops that nothing other than oil can go over oil, which has been my dilemma. I have some raw Walnut cabinet doors. For latex drips, try denatured alcohol or a product like Goof-Off, both available in paint and hardware stores. If that doesnt work, you can always use a semi-gloss topcoat to change the sheen. To apply the new gloss, the old gloss has to be screened off, which is a light version of sanding the floor (it takes off just the gloss, not the wood surface). Hello Mark, I like to use Festool Platin Abrasives, 500, 1000, and 2000. Will this rubbing process work if I use arm-r-seal in place of the acrylic lacquer that you used in the video but kept the rest of the process the same? The Wood Whisperer, The Wood Whisperer Guild, TWW, and TWW Guild are trademarks of The Wood Whisperer Inc. All rights reserved. It is a great way to get that high gloss to really shine. Taking off the top layers of paint from old dressers, doors, and other wooden items can give them a whole new look. Do you sand between every coat of the lacquer after the first 3 coats. He either has an ETS150/3 or an ETS150/5. If the gloss on your wood floor is so shiny that it looks fake—and maybe even is too slippery to be safe—refinish it with a low-gloss polyurethane, which provides the same protection but is less reflective. If using varnish how many coats do you suggest for this process? How can I correct this bone headed mistake I made? Yes I did. There are 3 coats gloss / 2 coats satin on top (the satin finish is essentially the same product as the gloss, but with suspended colloid to break up the sheen, if I understand correctly). I finish my guitars with a water-based lacquer from Grafted Coatings called KTM-9. Once I get it painted with the high gloss product, I can give it a coat of just semi-gloss varnish. Used 0000 steal wool to remove, hit it with 2000 wet sand paper again. I’ve let each application dry in the sun for 24 hours until I applied another coat sanding/fine steel wool between coats. I’m having problems getting the orbital out, any advice? Steve at woodworking for mere mortals used some for his chess board build? suddenly I have tiny white specs all over the surface, looks like overspray. Great video! Leave for several minutes – about 30 to 60. The tabletop is cherrywood, has lots of light scratches and one deep one from a cat’s claw when it ran over the surface during a bad catfight (don’t even get me started). For some reason that is baffling me, I find that the poly is resisting certain small parts of the surface. Screening disks in 60-, 80- and 120-grit roughness, Gloss applicator (looks like a push broom). Anyway, here’s a general guideline for wait times. Also lesson learned. My budget doesn’t stretch to a Rotex or polisher and usually I want a satin finish. @Mark P. – Can’t say it and then not do it …. If I have to seal it, what sealer (polyurethan, lacquer, varnish) will adhere to the Tung Oil? Since finishes can differ dramatically from brand to brand and formulation to formulation and environmental conditions also play a role, you’ll want to err on the side of caution giving the finish plenty of time to cure for best results. I am glad to see others doing this too. Yes, that’s correct about both shellac and lacquer. For instance, on this project you used 320 and on the contemplation bench you used platin 1000. Another tip for removing glue from wood is by using sandpaper. I recently had to start over while finishing a large slab. Getting Started 1 First, make sure the wooden object is not wet. How to remove gloss and emulsion paint from clothes. We decided to use paint stripper on an old painted milk door to bring it back to its original state. I thought I would add to Marc’s reply. I learned my lesson and our beautiful table now sports a table cloth to protect it most of the time! Great to see all two of us! What are the chances of joining the wood whisperer in some WoW related activity? Makes me want to rub one out myself! 1. I have hand leveled it (800 grit) it and wet sanded down with a Makita random orbit sander with 1200, 1500, and 2000 grit, but I got swirl marks, very visible. Ultimately, they all do the same thing: abrade the surface at a particular grit. Is there a product that will simply dull a glossy surface? Thank. Lastly is figured cherry considered a porous wood? Rubbing out to a high gloss and shortcuts don’t live in the same world. If necessary, remove any knobs, hinges or other hardware from the wood being sanded. Rubbing out is nothing more than abrading the surface until it’s nice and smooth. Im trying to polish my ash top guitar, i sanded already 400, 600, 1000, 1200 and finally i used a 3m high gloss compound (by hand). Load up your floor screener with the roughest grade of paper (60-grit). In fact, it’s the most used sander in my shop. After using this process I now know how to get a real great look. Can a matte finish be applied on top of the glossy wood? This site uses affiliate links. I purchased it from one prior owner. Kevin McDermott is a professional newspaper journalist and landlord. Set the applicator in the gloss and pull it back across the floor, with the direction of the floorboards. Thanks in advance! From reading similiar articles on refinishing and preserving the wood, I have gone down the path of coating the wood stock with 100% pure tung oil. I just refinished a set of maple drums with a wipe on poly. From what I’ve found, lacking gloss at the final step is usually due to insufficient buffing through the grits. I use 320 grit wet/dry paper and a bit of soapy water as a lubricant. IP2000 and SF4000 with surbuf pads for the polish, like in your video. Yes, it’s stain and varnish in one. It becomes more noticeable in certain lighting. Since CA normally starts removing chemicals before any other state, is this true and is there something else water based which can be worked to this high gloss finish? Going thru the process and just finished with the 2000 wet sand. Use metal oxide sandpaper on a sander to degloss paint manually. For the most part, they look very nice, but there are some imperfections when you look closely. What is the best way to try and get out all I can? The easy way to remove water stains from wood furniture. :) We don’t get much time to play these days but look me up if you’re even on the Earthen Ring server Horde side. Hey Marc, looooonnnnnggg time listener/watcher/follower. Using one of our favorite heat guns is one way to soften paint so you can remove it from your floor. I didn’t see my particular issue addressed in the comment thread, so thought I’d cross my fingers and see if you’re still responding. Pour more gloss and continue spreading it row by row until you've done the whole floor. If scraping, ragging, and heating don’t do diddly, you’ll need to resort to a solvent to break down the paint. You can reduce the gloss of an existing finish by gently wet sanding with 600 or 800 grit sandpaper. But it will likely be short-lived and will need to be renewed periodically.If you truly want a shiny finish, you’ll need a film of some sort. For deeper stained, or irregular and missing shellac stain, removing it is … Hey Leo. Should I ever be compensated to write, I will make full disclosure. Can I rub them out back to a matte finish but also leave them protected? The surbuf packaging says it’s capable of removing swirl marks. You either want to match the Timbermate to the color of the wood or use something different for intentional contrast. Depends on the depth of the scratches. Been working on how to improve the look of my finishes. I’m looking to achieve a high-gloss finish. Choose a fine-grit sandpaper and scrub the cabinet doors thoroughly. The soapy water helps prevent sandpaper clogging. The higher the grit, the glossier the finish will be. Starting along one wall, run the screener across the floor, in the direction of the floorboards, grinding off the top layer of existing gloss. What is your advice, given what I have already done, to achieve a decent high-gloss finish? So can you tell me more about the product that’s already on there? Marc – Finally got to try this last night, although I bought the SF4000 in lieu of the SF4500 by accident. Re-load the screener with 80-grit paper and repeat the process. Vacuum up the dust. Safety glasses for now on. Vacuum up the dust. Marc, I have a beautiful dining room table that I have had in a non climate controlled warehouse. It’s a Stickley so I want to ask your advice before moving forward. That’s essentially what I did here. Thanx !!! But I like the idea of working my way down from the highest grit because it removes less finish and could save a lot of extra work. I followed all of your directions in your video concerning using dyes. Do it a third time with 120-grit paper, getting the surface smooth and dull. Otherwise you run the risk of sanding through. Sponsored tip: Need tools for your project? Your email address will not be published. If it is dry it up with a cloth or a hair … Is it a stain with a varnish mixed in? 1 coat lacq….. Thanks!!! Mostly my shirt, shorts, my eyeballs, and top of my tablesaw (which actually stained the steel top). Given this, please assume that any links leading you to products or services are affiliate links that we will receive compensation from. I have a Festool ETS/3 150 and a Rotex RO150 FEQ (an older model, about 8 years old). So if the latex paint provides a nice flat surface with no visible pores or grain lines, you can simply topcoat it with your finish of choice and proceed with this process. Maybe I did a better leveling with the spray. Should I do a few more coats of varnish before I start to sand or was I just using to low of grit to begin with? This was a great video and very informative. Thanks! :). Thanks for venturing out of your primary focus with me! Or only after all coats of lacquer have been applied? Just can’t figure how to finish the darn thing!). I’m thinking about purchasing one and they have a vast array of polishers to choose from. It’s cool that you shared some of the latest Guild build on the free site. I have done 4 layers expecting to take it down a bit before polishing. :D, My wife and I both play on the Earthen Ring server, horde. Have you considered trying something with a motor? Also, i want to ask; What is wood surface finish? Loving my work so far, however! For hardwood, use grade 00 … If you are going to paint, remove the gloss, seal it with a product like Kilz, so the old finish doesn't bleed through the new paint. I make from time to time in mind that my eye is drawn to in! 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